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58% say the soldiers conduct themselves badly or very badly.

60% say the troops show disrespect for Iraqi people in searches of their homes, and 42% say U.S. forces have shown disrespect toward mosques.

46% say the soldiers show a lack of respect for Iraqi women.

57% say the foreign troops should leave

As for the idea that we are “maintaining the stable environment”, our presence in Iraq is the major driving force for the insurgency. There is a good chance that if we left, within a reasonable amount of time, that the insurgency would lose the approval of the 10-20% of Iraqis that support them.

Also, when I speak of pushing our viewpoints on them, I am speaking of trying to impose secular liberal democracies, not simply “democracy”. If you think our country wants democracy to flourish around the world, I think you had better climb out of the “turd box”. We DON’T want democracy when people elect leaders like Hammas, Hugo Chavez or Ahmadinejad. The vision for people in Iraq and many other Muslim countries is an Iranian style theocracy that supplants individual rights (or the rights of Israel) in favor of strict interpretation of Islamic law. Personally, when it comes to America’s best interest, I would rather have a secular military dictator over a theocratic mess any day of the week. Of course you probably can’t see where I’m coming from because you and your ilk try, day after day, to turn this country into a Christian theocracy, similar to that of Iran, by dismantling public schools and public welfare in favor of church run organizations that will spout your brand of Conservative Christianism.

I also seem to have missed the German and North Korean attacks on American soil. That’s beside the point - I’m sure the Iraqi people don’t mind their freedom being compared to a “turd in a box”. It’s as if you think the insurgents are actually representative of the populace at large. Only in the most twisted sense can maintaining the stable environment required for a functioning democracy be termed “our government telling other people how to live their lives.” Does that not sound ridiculous on its face?

Bush’s vision is sound. If you consider freedom a “turd in a box”, so be it. Let’s just be clear about it.

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The reason Reagan could sell this activism is because US Troops weren’t forcing said democracy down the throat of the Russians. The Russians overthrew the USSR, not America. Perhaps we helped by spending billions of dollars on Nuclear Technology, but it wasn’t simply an American victory over totalitarianism.

Bush’s mistake was in putting American lives on the line to fight for the freedom of other people. Americans are generally isolationist, and always have been. When we are attacked we fight back, but just as you don’t want the governemnt telling you “how to spend your money”, Americans generally don’t want our gov’t telling other people how to live their lives.

The Problem with Bush isn’t simply that he can’t sell his product to the American people, its that the American people simply don’t want to buy his product. He should spend more time creating a better quality product, and less time trying to sell a turd in a box.

Tommy Boy:Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for right now, for your sake, for your daughter’s sake, ya might wanna think about buying a quality item from me.