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]]> By: Nathan Moore http://moorethoughts.com/2006/03/26/the-protests-this-isnt-about-national-security/#comment-2093 Nathan Moore Mon, 27 Mar 2006 02:09:31 +0000 http://moorethoughts.com/2006/03/26/the-protests-this-isnt-about-national-security/#comment-2093 Yes - but I'm not knee jerk...people get hurt that way. Yes - but I’m not knee jerk…people get hurt that way.

]]> By: Donna Locke http://moorethoughts.com/2006/03/26/the-protests-this-isnt-about-national-security/#comment-2091 Donna Locke Mon, 27 Mar 2006 00:18:30 +0000 http://moorethoughts.com/2006/03/26/the-protests-this-isnt-about-national-security/#comment-2091 No surprise to me, HJ. I aready had him pegged. :-) No surprise to me, HJ. I aready had him pegged. :-)

]]> By: Sean Braisted http://moorethoughts.com/2006/03/26/the-protests-this-isnt-about-national-security/#comment-2085 Sean Braisted Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:56:59 +0000 http://moorethoughts.com/2006/03/26/the-protests-this-isnt-about-national-security/#comment-2085 I think the causation is that the proponents of anti-immigration policies know that the best way to get a majority of Americans on their side is to emotionalize the issue and Bush has shown that one poll tested formula for getting people's nationalist emotion levels up is to bring up 9/11 as a reason for a certain policy. The battle over immigration will be largely in the Republican party and it will be largely between the pro-business front (which I'm assuming you're in) and the populist nationalist front (Lou Dobbs, Pat Buchanan, Allen, Tancredo, etc...). In order for the populist nationalists to win the argument they must portray the buisness side of the Republican party with putting profits over national security. The same as Bush accused Democrats (an accusation I'm sure you agree with) of putting politics (and sometimes Labor interests) over national security. I think the causation is that the proponents of anti-immigration policies know that the best way to get a majority of Americans on their side is to emotionalize the issue and Bush has shown that one poll tested formula for getting people’s nationalist emotion levels up is to bring up 9/11 as a reason for a certain policy.

The battle over immigration will be largely in the Republican party and it will be largely between the pro-business front (which I’m assuming you’re in) and the populist nationalist front (Lou Dobbs, Pat Buchanan, Allen, Tancredo, etc…). In order for the populist nationalists to win the argument they must portray the buisness side of the Republican party with putting profits over national security. The same as Bush accused Democrats (an accusation I’m sure you agree with) of putting politics (and sometimes Labor interests) over national security.

]]> By: HJ http://moorethoughts.com/2006/03/26/the-protests-this-isnt-about-national-security/#comment-2086 HJ Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:56:59 +0000 http://moorethoughts.com/2006/03/26/the-protests-this-isnt-about-national-security/#comment-2086 Who would have thought it? Nathan Moore and I are the leading Nashville liberal bloggers on immigration! At least they won't say we're knee-jerk. Who would have thought it? Nathan Moore and I are the leading Nashville liberal bloggers on immigration!

At least they won’t say we’re knee-jerk.

]]> By: Nathan Moore http://moorethoughts.com/2006/03/26/the-protests-this-isnt-about-national-security/#comment-2084 Nathan Moore Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:45:18 +0000 http://moorethoughts.com/2006/03/26/the-protests-this-isnt-about-national-security/#comment-2084 Well, I am a liberal in the classical sense of the term. I agree that we should speed individuals along the path of citizenship. If they want to come here for opportunity, let's help put their roots so deeply into American soil that they simply cannot leave. Oh, and for the record, I do think you're overreaching with that last paragraph. Too much effect, with too little causation. N Well, I am a liberal in the classical sense of the term.

I agree that we should speed individuals along the path of citizenship. If they want to come here for opportunity, let’s help put their roots so deeply into American soil that they simply cannot leave.

Oh, and for the record, I do think you’re overreaching with that last paragraph. Too much effect, with too little causation.

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]]> By: Sean Braisted http://moorethoughts.com/2006/03/26/the-protests-this-isnt-about-national-security/#comment-2083 Sean Braisted Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:21:15 +0000 http://moorethoughts.com/2006/03/26/the-protests-this-isnt-about-national-security/#comment-2083 You crazy little liberal you...I do agree with most of your assumptions, although I think there can be something done to somewhat strengthen our border. I think a reasonable alternative would be to allow pretty much anyone in so long as they can pass a thorough criminal background check, and give them a temporary 5 year (possibly less) work visa. If when their five years are up they can show at least 3 years employment they will be given the opportunity to obtain permanent citizenship. Obviously if at any time in those 5 years they are convicted for a felony, they would forfeit their temporary citizenship. I have to say though, the use of 9/11 to scare people into supporting draconian measures against immigrants is a tactic learned from President Bush in his pursuits to elevate the status of the Executive Branch and launch the Iraq War. So any complaints on his part over the overusage of 9/11 will undoubtedly fall on deaf ears in the public. You crazy little liberal you…I do agree with most of your assumptions, although I think there can be something done to somewhat strengthen our border. I think a reasonable alternative would be to allow pretty much anyone in so long as they can pass a thorough criminal background check, and give them a temporary 5 year (possibly less) work visa. If when their five years are up they can show at least 3 years employment they will be given the opportunity to obtain permanent citizenship. Obviously if at any time in those 5 years they are convicted for a felony, they would forfeit their temporary citizenship.

I have to say though, the use of 9/11 to scare people into supporting draconian measures against immigrants is a tactic learned from President Bush in his pursuits to elevate the status of the Executive Branch and launch the Iraq War. So any complaints on his part over the overusage of 9/11 will undoubtedly fall on deaf ears in the public.

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